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In Moscow alone, there were a lot of young KMS who became the GMs in 2-3 years after the fall of iron curtain and opportunity to travel the world (Chuchelov, Shekachev, Notkin, Berdichevsky, Amonatov to name a few...) Indeed, Shipov, Chuchelov, Notkin and Berdichevsky were at least 2300 in modern terms (if not stronger) before 20, so are hardly an example of a beginner adult.

I don't know any beginner adult becoming a "FIDE grandmaster", even though "FIDE master" is quite possible: DCecil Purdy didn't start playing chess until he was about 16 and was later World Correspondence Champion, an IM and Australian Champion (not in that order). DJI seem to remember reading somewhere that the oldest person to be awarded an IM title was in his 70s, though I don't recall his name, or know how old he was when he commenced playing - - - so that's not much help to the discussion.

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Mir Sultan Khan didn't learn the international game of chess (he knew Indian chess) until age 21. Joseph Blackburne, the leading English player of the late 19th century, didn't learn the chess moves until he was 19. Two years later he was giving blindfold simultaneous exhibitions.

Howard Staunton, the world's leading player in the 1840s, took up chess at age 19 and didn't become a serious player until age 26. He was illiterate, unable to read or write, and never studied any book on the game.

I think the main reason for this line of thought is that kids have lots of extra TIME compared to adults who generally have alot more things competing for thier time. With the right set of factors I think its possible.

Cheers : DIs there any stories of late commer GM/IM/FM's?

However, when I was trying to track him down I found a couple of sites about the age of GMs/IMs that might be interesting.

When Arthur Dake died in 2000 at age 90 he was the world's oldest GM: Link to reviews ( of the old masters started playing chess at a late age.

I mean the 3 Norm and getting FIDE rating to 2500 method.

It would be interesting to know if there were any players that obtained the GM title at age 40 , and I don't mean these old players that get awarded the title as a gift. The Romanian Victor Ciocltea (19321983) was awarded the GM title at age 46.

Strong KMS in sovet times were playing at equvivalent of 2300-2400 fide.

In Moscow alone, there were a lot of young KMS who became the GMs in 2-3 years after the fall of iron curtain and opportunity to travel the world (Chuchelov, Shekachev, Notkin, Berdichevsky, Amonatov to name a few...)emm russian KMS is not a complete beginner i guess...

Hey All, Do you really need to start chess as a kid to end up being one of the top players?

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